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This page is to track plot threads that have been introduced but have not resolved either at all or only partially. It's basically a place to put evidence toward the possible resolutions a particular thread could have. A thread in this context is a goal Dan is working toward and the facts listed here are the breadcrumbs that lead to that goal. Basically it serves as a counterpart to the theories page except only facts relevant to the thread are listed and it has to be relatively clear Dan is or was once working toward a particular resolution even if the resolution itself is unknown.

For example, Noah being The Child Left Behind was a plot thread that was resolved during the 6th part of the New and Old Flames storyline. Though the resolution could not be known with 100% certainty the clues were there and it was known that there was an unresolved plot thread involving Noah.

This page is organized by character (or in some cases a role to be fulfilled) then by facts, inferences and outstanding questions.

Lord Tedd[]

Facts[]

  • The Goo claimed to be sent by Lord Tedd.[1] Beta Tedd thinks he wants to kill all other Tedds.[2] He looked angry when he saw the destruction of the Goo.[3]
  • He has General Shade Tail in his employ.[4][5]
  • He has Nioi in his employ.[5]
  • Nioi thinks someone, probably General Shade Tail, is corrupting him.[6]
  • Nioi claims that Grace (and thus we) have misconceptions about him.[7]
  • Edward Verres has investigated Lord Tedd and is sure that he will not attack again.[8]

Inferences[]

  • He started out similar to Second Life Tedd (based on the fact that Tedd's dream has him start out short,[9] just like Second Life Tedd[10]).
  • Someone close to him died previous to his becoming Lord Tedd (assuming Tedd's dream[9] was about Lord Tedd).

Questions[]

  • What did Nioi mean when she said that Grace has misconceptions about him? What does Edward know about him that we don't?

Susan and Diane[]

Facts[]

  • They were identical down to the physical structure of their bodies,[11] until Susan's magic-induced growth spurt.[12]
  • Diane has existenced at least since the main eight's freshman year.[13]
  • Diane is adopted.[14]
  • Susan was born ten minutes after midnight,[15][12] and Diane was born ten minutes before.[16]
  • Diane has magic affinity for vampire hunting,[17] just like Susan.[18][19]
  • Diane is Adrian Raven's biological daughter (Pandora's granddaughter) and Susan is a distant descendant.[20]
  • Raven claims Susan's ancestor who was his child would have been born when he was in his "actual 20s"[21]

Inferences[]

Noah[]

Facts[]

  • "The child left behind" wanted to kill Damien to avenge someone. He was told by someone that Damien was defeated by a part-squirrel seyunolu who is "a woman of Grace".[22]
  • Noah blames secrecy for the death of his parents.[23]
  • He is under Adrian Raven's care.[24]
  • He has had anger issues.[25]
  • "The child left behind" is Noah.[26]
  • He used to be obsessed with power.[27]
  • When his ponytail is untied, it splits into two bundles similar to seyunolu antennae.[28]
  • He has odd knowledge gaps.[29]
  • Luke has seen someone he calls a "shadow guy" who has a similar aura to Grace and tendrils coming out of the back of his head.[30][31]
  • His father was one of the cultists who made Damien to fulfill the master of fire prophecy and were killed by him. Noah never knew his mother.[32]
  • He is a seyunolu.[33]

Inferences[]

  • His shadowy disguise[34] and his summoned tonfas[35] may be human magic.

Questions[]

  • Will he and Grace compare notes about their past?

Magus[]

Facts[]

Inferences[]

Questions[]

  • Will he be able to return home?

Noriko[]

Facts[]

  • She abandoned Edward and Tedd. She was in Europe the last time Tedd checked.[46]
  • Adrian Raven blames himself for Noriko focusing on her career instead of her family.[47]
  • Noriko was seen to be very disappointed in Tedd's apparent lack of magic.[48]
  • She is a famed monster hunter.[49][50]
  • Not-Tengu said he was going to kill her children (plural),[51] and mentioned her first-born son.[52]
  • Edward thinks it's important to keep her monster hunting career secret from Tedd, either for secret reasons or because he thinks Tedd would relapse to his mute phase if he heard about her.[53]
  • Nanase once wanted to ask Edward why it is dangerous to tell Tedd about his mother[54] but may have abandoned that plan after she heard Tedd imply that he already knows that his mother is a magic user[55][56] and say that he doesn't want to talk about her.[57]
  • The known children are Tedd and Van.[58] There is no clue whether or not there are others.
  • Noriko is badly scarred[59] and uses magic to hide her scars[60] so that not even Edward knew about them.[61]

Inferences[]

Questions[]

  • Will Nanase ask Edward why he is keeping Noriko secret from Tedd?
  • Will Nanase and Tedd compare notes about her?

Tedd[]

Facts[]

  • He has been known to glow.[62][63][64]
  • He has built a gauntlet[65] similar in appearance to one that appeared in a dream about Lord Tedd,[66] which presumably represents one worn by the actual Lord Tedd.[3][4]
  • He has been unexpectedly resisted magic.[67][68]
  • When he was tested with the magic analysis wand as a baby, it showed him to be magically impaired.[69][70]
  • He can disenchant himself from unwanted spells fast.[71]
  • The whale told Tedd he is a rare kind of dangerous anomaly.[72]
  • He is called a seer.[73]
  • He has a rare ability to analyze magic that he sees.[74][75]
  • Part of the purpose of seers is to discover the new magic system in case of magic change.[76]
  • Seers can make magic wands. When Tedd made his glove of enchanting he thought that it would make magic watches without any involvement of magic users but actually it only stores data and it is his seer power that enchants the watches.[77]
  • Another purpose of seers is for magic to consult them on whether to change.[78]

Inferences[]

  • He may be at a period of time before Lord Tedd, based on having the glove, Grace not influencing him like Shade Tail to Lord Tedd, and no visible death/s.

Nioi[]

Facts[]

Inferences[]

Questions[]

  • Will Ellen and Kaoli meet?

Pandora Chaos Raven[]

Facts[]

  • She sought to create a world where her son can have more freedom to use magic.[86]
  • She has been forced to reset after violating Immortal law.[87][88][89]

Inferences[]

  • She seems to be behind the creation of at least 3 magic users without their permission or knowledge.
  • She seems to be the one who brought Magus to the Main Universe.

Helena and Demetrius[]

Facts[]

Inferences[]

  • They may be the friends Edward Verres enlisted to investigate Pandora's warning about Magus.[97] Said warning[98] may have been intended to manipulate Edward into trying to stop Magus from getting a body of his own so that his situation would be more entertaining to her, just as they did.

Questions[]

  • Why were they reset?

Mrs. Kitsune[]

Facts[]

  • Her daughter Nanase used to believe that she hated lesbians.[99]
  • She is zealous about Nanase's school studies[100] despite supposedly wanting her to be nothing other than a housewife. She hates being told about the contradiction.[101]
  • She knows about Nanase's magic and is willing to make her miserable to keep it secret from her.[102]
  • When Nanase came out about her relationship with Ellen, she tolerated it but seemed contempuous about Nanase seeing it as more than a phase.[103][104]
  • She has disowned her sister Noriko (at least according to Q&A comic).[105]
  • She apparently sees Noriko's son Tedd as an emotionally vulnerable child.[104]
  • Nanase has said that she is currently nice,[106] likely meaning nicer than before Nanase came out.

Inferences[]

  • Her relationship with Nanase is likely dominated by secrecy about magic, possibly to the point that she rarely says anything sincere to her (exceptions include when she expressed concern about Nanase making enemies [which was long after her other scenes][107] and maybe when she talked about Tedd as a vulnerable child). This secrecy may be related to Noriko abandoning her family to be a monster hunter, and it's possible that she hates Nanase because she sees her as a potential Noriko. Her authoritarian parenting and her former claim to hate lesbians may have been intended to hide her behavior to keep secrets behind a stereotype and/or to make Nanase fear her too much to suspect her of keeping secrets. She probably became nicer becase she realized that she had made Nanase fear her more than intended (possibly when Nanase treated a makeover as a show of defiance[108] or when she came out).

Questions[]

  • Are the inferences listed correct?
  • Will Nanase confront her about secrecy?

Liz[]

Facts[]

Inferences[]

Questions[]

  • Will Ashley and Elliot tell her their secrets?
  • Did Pandora give her magic?

Voltaire[]

Facts[]

Inferences[]

Questions[]

  • What will the immortals decide?

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